Pretty sad you have such a crappy relationship then.

Hey Alan when you become an endangered species, by all means remove yourself from being able to contribute to the gene pool.

Not only that, but a 20 year old messing with a 10 year old??? Not cool at all.

Alan Grobb you are the one who chose your wife so if she's unpleasant that's your fault for choosing her.

Alan, that's a great idea!! Kudos to you.

1) Why remove the zoo keeper from his wife?

2) Makes sense to seperate the birds, it takes a normal male and female to reproduce.

it would be a shame if we broke up that gang of child molester penguins. let's take tolerance ALL the way . . .

Based on their ten year difference in age and their lifespan

they are not gay. The older one is a child molester.

If I may I am going to ask the insensitive and politically incorrect question.

Is there a reason why we can't study the brains of these penguins while they are alive like we do monkey's and other animals? Perhaps we can stimulate, and unstimulate their gayness. If they figure out what causes homosexuality perhaps they can give those who wish to treat it a choice.

I know that's where everyone get's their panties in a twist, but perhaps there is a way to just turn off the urge, or change it? We are all in agreement that homosexuality goes against nature, then perhaps we can give those who chose to fix what nature f*cked up in the first place.

Then perhaps these kids will not be bullied and ridiculed for being gay, and then they will stop killing themselves. Providing a "fix" would be in the best interest for all. And before you get too angry I am speaking about those gay people I know that wish they had a choice about whether or not they are gay. I'm just saying. If you enjoy being gay then good for you.

to Alan.......Now that's funny. And all you uptight types need to back off. Nobody lives the fairytale, and Im sure he was just joking, havent any of you ever seen "Armageddon" and the old geezer with the observatory!!!

well they are endangered and if they each mate with a women. there are more penguins and they can go back to being gay or bi

Multiple party system, I don't think we're all in agreement that homosexuality goes against nature. I'm sorry that you have friends who are unhappy in their lives but that can happen to straight people, too. I have many homosexual friends and acquaintances who are very happy with their lives and their partners. I hope your friends are able to accept themselves for who they are and be happy.

Tex-478405, I'm not sure it makes sense to separate the birds. Ok, so the species is endangered and that's unfortunate. I hope that we can help change that but if the birds are in fact homosexual what makes you think they would even mate with a female if presented with one. I'm no biologist but does anyone on this thread know if penguins mate for life. If they do, then there really is no point in separating them.

Is there a reason why we can't study the brains of these penguins while they are alive like we do monkey's and other animals? Perhaps we can stimulate, and unstimulate their gayness....

Then perhaps these kids will not be bullied and ridiculed for being gay, and then they will stop killing themselves.

Maybe the best way for them not to be bullied that leads often to suicide is just that society accepts them and get over wanting to do experiments on homosexual animals brains to try to "turn off" gayness.

Really?... Really?

Holy O' @!$%#... that's the most nazi post I've seen all day.

Are you kidding me right now? Don't tell me homosexuality is spilling over into the penguin community. I can't help but wonder if the other penguins point and snicker at them.

Gay penguins , this is another way to humanize , animal behavior, to brainwash our child's about how natural is to be homosexual. Penguins are not gay , lesbian or travesties , this is nothing else than a dysfunctional behavior of one specie, that will endanger the end of the specie, this is why so important to separate them in order to perform they function of procreation which is the job of the male of the specie.

@Multiple party system:

its that kind of ignorant, backwards thinking that sets us back and prevents us from ever accepting one another as it is. The only reason one would feel bad about being gay, is because of society constantly teaching people how wrong it is to be gay. if they were accepted as they are, they would not have a problem being who they are. And if you're going to be ridiculous in suggesting they find a cure for gayness, then you might as well suggest they also have a cure for being heterosexual. Who knows, maybe someone might actually want to be gay instead. By your reasoning, we should just change anything and everyone that doesn't fit into your idea of what "normal" is. I'll tell you what we really need a cure for, and that's the utter ignorance you're displaying on this message board. If we can get people to stop behaving like narrow minded, brainwashed, idiots, then maybe the world would be a much better place. A little word of advice, come out of the darkness and into the light. You can't afford to be this lost, not in this day and age.

@ oskar-1391552

you need to read more. this is a behavior that comes natural in ALL animals, including human beings. It is not a dysfunction in any way. Ignorant humans are the ones turning it into something ugly and dysfunctional because they have so many issues accepting it among their own species, (thank religion and pure narrow mindedness for that bit of ignorance). you may need a male and female (in most species of animal, some you don't) to reproduce, but it doesnt matter what sex you are for companionship or even sex for that matter. Its perfectly normal and natural, but there are far to many people with their heads up their asses, to understand that concept. I suggest you not be one of them. educate yourself, you'll be thankful for it later.

You don't think that these two penguins made a conscious choice to live an "alternative lifestyle" and were just egged on to do so by all of the gay penguin activists that have infiltrated mainstream penguin culture and the penguin-oriented media? Couldn't some committed animal psychologists work with them and give them "corrective therapy"? Can't Michelle Bachman's husband at least come down and offer to pray with them? WE must help these poor birds. How can they deal with all of the fundamentalist penguins who are going to tell them that they will burn forever in penguin hell?

Ok, Multiple party, oskar. Homosexuality is not a dysfunction or disease. It's people like you that makes life so miserable. Maybe if you weren't following all those lies of the atrocious religion known as Christianity, you'd think differently.

Multiple party system

If I may I am going to ask the insensitive and politically incorrect question.

Is there a reason why we can't study the brains of these penguins while they are alive like we do monkey's and other animals? Perhaps we can stimulate, and unstimulate their gayness. If they figure out what causes homosexuality perhaps they can give those who wish to treat it a choice.

I know that's where everyone get's their panties in a twist, but perhaps there is a way to just turn off the urge, or change it? We are all in agreement that homosexuality goes against nature, then perhaps we can give those who chose to fix what nature f*cked up in the first place.

Then perhaps these kids will not be bullied and ridiculed for being gay, and then they will stop killing themselves. Providing a "fix" would be in the best interest for all. And before you get too angry I am speaking about those gay people I know that wish they had a choice about whether or not they are gay. I'm just saying. If you enjoy being gay then good for you.

Yeah! Maybe they should study Neocons and find out why they ask rhetorical questions. My wife and I have gay friends. The only difference between our straight friends and our gay friends--our gay friends are better adjusted. Wake up, amigo. It's not a choice or a preference--it just is. And--if you enjoy being straight---fine with the rest of us.

I wonder if the Phelps klan will be protesting along with the Bachmann klan. lol

There are many gay animals in the wild. That alone is proof that people and other animal life forms are born gay.

Homosexuality has been found in almost every species in nature. Homophobia has been found in only one...

Without commenting on what you were reacting to:

Since by far most PEOPLE are straight, it is expected that most murders are committed by straight people.

Most rapists are straight because it is much more difficult for a woman to rape a man, so therefore most rapists are men. And... a man trying to commit rape would have a much more difficult time overpowering another man to force him into sex against his will. So it only stands to reason that most rapists are straight. And also, again, there is a much higher percentage of straight men than gay, so it's expected.

Again with the much lower percentage of gay in re: armed robbery.

Most states don't allow allow marriage, so there is a much higher number of straght marriages so of course they claim the most divorces.

with world population pushing 7 billion, I think a percentage of the population not reproducing (not all gays) is not really going to put a damper on things. So let it be, much more important things to worry about.

Every human being is born a sinner. This does not offer anyone an excuse for sin. Every person is born with the urge to murder. This does not give anyone an excuse for committing murder. That so-called "born this way" excuse is no excuse. Some animals eat their young. This does not rise to a reason for human beings to do the same.

Homosexual behavior in human beings is sinful.

The evil way of thinking is the anti-Christ, not the Christ.

This idea that penguins are "gay;' is nonsense. This is one of the most destructive effects of homosexual behavior: that it destroys brotherly love. These penguins are simply being affectionate with each other. There is no reason to make a "gay" thing out of this. But the perverted homosexual community has an agenda, and they read their perversion into everything they can. They have and are destroying brotherly love. This alone makes their behavior evil and sinful.

No, to the other lies, too. Homosexuals commit far more murders than heterosexuals do. EVERY homosexual is a child molester. The whole so-called "community" of homosexuals are raping society, forcing their pervesion down everyone's throats, forcing children in classrooms all across the country to "experience" the mindset of their perversion--WHICH IS A SEXUAL ASSAULT ANY WAY YOU LOOK AT IT.

Those who say that God didn't vaporize Sodom because they were "gay" speak a lie. Those who say the so-called real problem was that the people of Sodom were committing gang-rape, speak a half-truth. The whole truth is that EVERY homosexual is participating in the gang-rape of society. The behavior described in the book of Genesis is absolutely characteristic of this deviant population--they ALWAYS turn to gang-rape when it becomes clear that they CAN NEVER CONVINCE THE MORAL PERSON THAT THEIR WAY IS ACCEPTABLE.

The pervert who claimed that those who most abhor homosexual behavior are most likely to be attracted to it is a liar.

One might as well say that those who protest brutality toward homosexuals are most likely to commit such acts of brutality.

The behavior is wrong, it is sinful, it is evil, it is descructive to society. Time will prove this true. These homosexuals will destroy the earth in pushing their agenda. They will prove every word I have written to be absolutely true.

Mass murder of the righteous is their final act of barbarism. After that, the Last Judgment, and their damnation.

Why should they be damned? For "loving" each other? No. That is not what they do. They will be damned because they will have the blood of Jesus Christ on their hands, and the blood of those who follow Him. We, on the other hand, who WILL NOT BE MURDERING THE HOMOSEXUALS, will have the blood of Christ on our clothes

because it flows through our veins and will soon be spilled by these wicked deviants.

Why? Because we will NEVER agree with them that their behavior is normal, or righteous, or innocent.

We are the salt of the earth. If we cease to condemn homosexuality, we lose our flavor and become worthless.

But that will never again happen.

Wake up, sleepers! Rise from the dead and put on the whole armor of Christ! Do what he commanded you to do!

Rebuke sin and show some purpose to your existence. Remember, the mockery of the wicked is temporary. Death on the cross is temporary. Do not be afraid of their taunts or their fierce looks, for the One who is for you is greater than the all those who are against you. The wicked man can only kill the body, and afterward, can do nothing worse. Be afraid of God, who, after killing the body, can destroy the soul in hell. Yes, be afraid of Him! And do the right thing (even though it is no longer "fashionable").

Those who save a soul from hell through preaching the uncompromising truth to a hostile world, will have the gratitude of that soul for ever and ever.

we are all sinners and no sin is greater then another. we are to love are neighbor and keep the peace and know that God judges rightly.

@ John 3078515

If you actually read the article, it is more than "brotherly love". It is hateful, judgemental 'christians' like you that give us a bad name.

We are called to minister God's love to all. To tell the story of the Cross. We are not called to judge or condemn others. We are called to be a light, not to burn down others for their lack of light.

Once a person accepts Christ, they will start their own relationship with God and HE will influence their new life. NOT YOU.

John

I am not a liar!

It is you Sir who are the liar. and I will prove it!

August 1996 Press Release

WASHINGTON -- Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia -- the fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold for gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware of or denies. A study appearing in the August 1996 issue of the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, published by the American Psychological Association (APA), provides new empirical evidence that is consistent with that theory.

Researchers at the University of Georgia conducted an experiment involving 35 homophobic men and 29 nonhomophobic men as measured by the Index of Homophobia scale. All the participants selected for the study described themselves as exclusively heterosexual both in terms of sexual arousal and experience.

Each participant was exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual and lesbian videotapes (but not necessarily in that order). Their degree of sexual arousal was measured by penile plethysmography, which precisely measures and records male tumescence.

Men in both groups were aroused by about the same degree by the video depicting heterosexual sexual behavior and by the video showing two women engaged in sexual behavior. The only significant difference in degree of arousal between the two groups occurred when they viewed the video depicting male homosexual sex: 'The homophobic men showed a significant increase in penile circumference to the male homosexual video, but the control [nonhomophobic] men did not.'

Broken down further, the measurements showed that while 66% of the nonhomophobic group showed no significant tumescence while watching the male homosexual video, only 20% of the homophobic men showed little or no evidence of arousal. Similarly, while 24% of the nonhomophobic men showed definite tumescence while watching the homosexual video, 54% of the homophobic men did.

When asked to give their own subjective assessment of the degree to which they were aroused by watching each of the three videos, men in both groups gave answers that tracked fairly closely with the results of the objective physiological measurement, with one exception: the homophobic men significantly underestimated their degree of arousal by the male homosexual video.

Do these findings mean, then, that homophobia in men is a reaction to repressed homosexual urges, as psychoanalysis theorizes? While their findings are consistent with that theory, the authors note that there is another, competing theoretical explanation: anxiety. According to this theory, viewing the male homosexual videotape may have caused negative emotions (such as anxiety) in the homophobic men, but not in the nonhomophobic men. As the authors note, 'anxiety has been shown to enhance arousal and erection,' and so it is also possible that 'a response to homosexual stimuli [in these men] is a function of the threat condition rather than sexual arousal per se. These competing notions can and should be evaluated by future research.'

Article: 'Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal?' by Henry E. Adams, Ph.D., Lester W. Wright, Jr., Ph.D. and Bethany A. Lohr, University of Georgia, in Journal of Abnormal Psychology, Vol. 105, No. 3, pp 440-445.

The American Psychological Association (APA), in Washington,DC, is the largest scientific and professional organization representing psychology in the United States and is the world's largest association of psychologists. APA's membership includes more than 142,000 researchers, educators, clinicians, consultants and students. Through its divisions in 49 subfields of psychology and affiliations with 58 state and Canadian provincial associations, APA works to advance psychology as a science, as a profession and as a means of promoting human welfare.

Aviator Dave

If you did not read the original post then WHY bother commenting on mine?

If you wish to comment on something inform yourself on the thread before commenting

Thank you!

Quit wasting time on them! get rid of them return them to the wild and get some that will work simple! they are a waste of time and money, its not cruel its practical, you need penguins that will reproduce right! well swap them. nothing wrong with that they will still have each other just no free ride. just get some new birds that will do what they are supposed to do. dump the useless ones of where they came from. or do you wan't to make this a gay rights issue.

Buck

Dump the useless one. Funny, that is what your dad said when you were born!

Actually Mark you were so correct about that. You can tell by Buck's comments that's exactly how his dad felt about him. So pathetically sad.

So John

Nothing more to say?

You preach a good line BUT to be quite honest the area of Liviticus that most christian refer to in their views of homosexuality also says

Burnt Offerings must be brought to the divine. Do you do that?

Shellfish should not be eaten. Do you eat shrimp or crab?

Those are just 2 of the things that Im sure you do.

Christians tend to pick and choose what they enforce and what they tend to ignore!

The bible actually says nothing about homosexuality because that word was not coined until

The first known appearance of homosexual in print is found in an 1869 German pamphlet by the Austrian-born novelist Karl-Maria Kertbeny, published anonymously, arguing against a Prussian anti-sodomy law.

Technically, the ideal they speak of is "You must not lay with a man as you would with a woman". I think we can all agree that's for the best, penetrating your lover's wingwang with your own would probably hurt like the dickens. For those that practice "docking", please stop, you're making God cry.

an endangered species of penguins having 2 gay male penguins? sounds like a lack of options to me! maybe it's because the females don't like them, but there's no other females left so they turned to each other to hang out and for comfort. they are animals, don't characterize their behavior the way you want it to be. it could be anything. separating them isn't going to procreate the species if they are truly gay anyway... let nature take it's course the way it is supposed to... for once people!!

ROTFLMAO!!!!

This is the most ridiculous article I have ever read.

Here we have a pair of male penguins that have no other like species to interact with and we are trying to analyze their "behavior". No females to interact with? Of course they're going to exhibit homosexual tendencies. Ask Bubba over at your local State Penitentiary if he is gay just because he's boinking Lance or Chad? I'm sure he'll reassure you of his heterosexuality in a very convincing way.

Buddy and Pedro groom each other, make mating calls to each other, and basically hang out together a lot and have bonded closely and even displayed mating behaviors toward each other. Of course they do, there are no other penguins around!

These are instinctual displays. What, do you think they have sex-ed classes for animals to teach them how to mate? No, this is just natural behavior for animals. They don't have classes to put condoms on cucumbers either.

Now, as we all know when the penguins mate, and they will mate because they are exhibiting normal mating behaviors. Once the female lays the egg the male is responsible to incubate the egg until it hatches. How are they going to do that if Buddy or Pedro come back to their homo zoo? Will we deprive them of the normal mating ritual of providing for the egg? Seems like that's a little unnatural isn't it? I mean if we're so concerned about their alleged homosexuality shouldn't we be worried about their obvious heterosexuality when they mate? Seems to me that humans are supposing quite a bit here if they do actually mate with a female, aren't we?

Now, the last problem we have is, how are we going to explain to the authorities that we are allowing 20 year old Buddy to be molesting 10 year old Pedro? Unless many of you believe the activities at Penn State are normal, this is a problem.

Maybe the military can adopt them as their new mascots. They have emasculated the service with the recent repeal of DODT, haven't they?

Just concerned

Are you stupid OR just pretending?

Gay people have always been in the military!

Also for your information some of the most decorated vets are also gay.

Just because men are gay that does not make them less masculine.

Just as being straight does not make you masculine!

Thank you!Tthank you all for giving this weary gal something to laugh about ... These gay penguins have shown more class than all the bird brains up in here and why wouldn't they...Gay men tend to have alittle more class..

So joman and mark I guess john (as much as I hate to admit it ) was right you types will gang up on strait people.

Uh (Canot believe I am commenting on this silly point) The Older Penguin is not a pedophile, See Penguins don't live nearly as long as humans

So the 10 year old penguin is the equivalent of 40 years old in human terms, and the other one is 80. Avg lifespan is about 20 years in the wild a little longer in captivity (I assume they get eaten less by seals!)

And penguins begin to breed at 3 years of age (12 Years in human terms) so they are adults earlier in their lifespans.

So the 20 year old one might like them younger, but so do half the men on Wall Street. But somehow I don't think Penguins differentiate on age, if they are adults.

Are these two gay? well we will only know if they begin to dance on their Happy Feet--if they have the moves...we know they are not straight. I mean have you ever seen a straight man dance well? Fred Astaire is an exception!

Alan;

If this is what you think of your wife then it's time that she bails out of the marriage with you. I can't believe that anybody would say that. I don't know about you but it took awhile for me to choose my mate. Maybe in your case you rushed in & married because of your juices at play. But, for whatever reason, you should not think of your mate like that. To me it just shows that you are immature & are a jerk.

Alan Grobb

I think the zoo keeper should be removed from his wife for 6 months adn then returned. Seems fair to me except as a married man, I can tell you a nice 6 month break from wife would be a treat:)

Thats really sad you feel like that. So many people are just with a woman and never get to know them. You should have spent more time to find that one that moves your heart every day , week after week, month after month, year after year. To be so involved with your partner, that you see each other as one flesh, united together and loving each other. Ready to sacrifice for each other. Learning to understand each other, and accepting each other for who they are. When i found my love, when we first met, we shook hands and then we just stared at each other, like we knew each other from the past. We were speechless, and talked finally asking how we knew each other. But we never met.. I believe our souls knew each other, and we knew right away that this was is. I look at her every day and she at me, with giggly smiles and just stare, because we love each other so much. How can anyone say something so badly about the person that their with. People need to learn to find, wait for the one you meet, that takes your breath out of you, makes your heart and spirit move. People get together for so many wrong reasons, and look at our divorce rate.

Perhaps eliminating that which is chronically unnatural to them ie....THE ZOO!....then maybe they would 'relax' and act, behave, and interact as normal FREE BIRDS are meant to exist. There's that pesky inability of many 'scientists' to comprehend the art of relativity very well...

Imagine if humans could understand the "language" of any animal? What would most 'responses' to those holding them in captivity for study be? I'd wager all for a; "What in the heck am I doing here?!" response.

The irony is that they were going to be allowed to breed. Now that they are together, their genetics (what ever coding makes them gay) won't be passed on. Will the "gay" African penguin gene become extinct because of this?

@Steve A Reno and @JustCOncerned

Penguins do not have the same life cycle nor life span as a human being thus claiming that there is pedophilic molestation going on in simply idiotic and uninformed.

1. African penguins sexually mature at the age of 4
2. In captivity African penguins live on average 15-20 years, penguins in general 30 years
3. In human years this makes Pedro and Buddy around 56 and 75 years old respectively.

@JustConcerned

The penguin colony is not segregated by gender therefore they did have options. They chose one another ove all other penguins both male and female.

Lets not skew this "study"...

Do these findings mean, then, that homophobia in men is a reaction to repressed homosexual urges, as psychoanalysis theorizes? While their findings are consistent with that theory, the authors note that there is another, competing theoretical explanation: anxiety. According to this theory, viewing the male homosexual videotape may have caused negative emotions (such as anxiety) in the homophobic men, but not in the nonhomophobic men. As the authors note, 'anxiety has been shown to enhance arousal and erection,' and so it is also possible that 'a response to homosexual stimuli [in these men] is a function of the threat condition rather than sexual arousal per se. These competing notions can and should be evaluated by future research.'

This "study" only used 64 participants? Nothing definitive here! Just another useless study that answers NOTHING! Fairly typical for those wishing to support it! As we all know, the word "phobia" denotes "fear". And even the study ADMITS that fear may have nothing to do with it at all. So doesn't this elude to the fact that the word homophobia may be an incorrect application to those who are ideologically opposed to the social acceptance of homosexuality??? Hmmm?!?!?!

'Biologically, it is UNNATURAL for two men/two women to reproduce offspring which is what intercourse is designed for. Homosexuality is against nature's design. And although animals use their gender to establish dominance, they are not 'homosexual'. As for the "biologist" that wrote a book about homosexuality in animals being natural - he is a known homosexual and did no research, but took the behavioral studies of other scientists and reinterpreted it.' Don't take my word for it. Look it up for yourself.

Through my own study of the history of the great civilizations, I found that there are 5 key things that have occurred before their ultimate demise. These things typically run concurrent with any civilization that "appears" to rise again utilizing the same name and manner of governance. Anyone who studies this will come up with the same conclusions:

1. Widespread government corruption.
2. Centralized banking.
3. The importance of art, entertainment and sports being placed higher in value than that of scientific, intellectual and spiritual education/learning.(Look at who gets more praise and money.)
4. Human sacrifice of all kinds, including capital punishment on a grand scale, mass murders by individuals, and the murder of children, toddlers, babies and the unborn. Evidenced of which goes back to the cradle of civilization, Sumeria.
5. The social acceptance of sexual deviance, including homosexuality, bestiality, et al.

Sumeria, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Asian Dynasties, French, Britannia, etc., It's all there...

"A lie told often enough becomes the truth." -- Vladimir Lenin

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -- George Santayana

"A father loves ALL of his children. Even the ones that behave poorly, nor follow the rules he set out for them. Even the natural rules..." -- Anonymous

"God gave man a brain and a penis, but not enough blood to use both at the same time." -- Anonymous

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that HALF of them are stupider than that." -- George Carlin

Biologically, it is UNNATURAL for two men/two women to reproduce offspring which is what intercourse is designed for. Homosexuality is against nature's design.

Actually that is incorrect. Homosexuality is VERY MUCH nature's design.

We live in a finite world, full of finite resources. Humans and animals are capable of exponential growth potential. We just reached the 7 billion mark and are closing in on over-population. Hunting season is open when a species is nearing over-population.

Homosexuality buffers this growth potential, removing a portion of the population from breeding. Unregulated breeding would destroy our world, and everyone in it. Having a certain portion of the population not breed is beneficial. If there were never any homosexuals throughout history, our population would be MUCH larger, to the point of crisis.

So it IS nature's design... God's design... or whatever you want to call it. Either way, a portion of the population being homosexual means that society does not step in and tell you how many kids you are allowed to have... as we have seen in other cultures.

@Mark

So Harry got a bone on now?" ...hahaha...good one!

Former-GOP:

You give beliefs, not facts. Throughout history, many have stated that the world was over-populated. Numerous sources have studied and found that this world, if properly managed and economized, could sustain ten times the current population. It's this foolish scarcity mentality, which has no basis in fact, that has people running on belief instead of fact. Rather than overwhelm with data, I'll let you verify it for your own satisfaction. Think about it. We could actually be colonizing other worlds by that time...

You don't think they considered that? A penguins anatomy makes it almost impossible to retrieve semen, which was why they didn't go this route. This was in the statement released by the zoo.

iris, My thoughts exactly. Science has used artificial insemination in countless other species, not to mention humans.

It is a practical solution to the maintenance of their species and would leave the two guys to lead a life they obviously enjoy.

Besides...what if this separation causes emotional problems that harm them. Some animals, and people, have been known to give up and die when separated from a partner.

Anyway...I'm being redundant. You said it already, and I agree with you. Just leave them alone.

patxyz, Just read your post. I didn't get the memo on the difficulty in retrieving semen from the penguins.

I still believe that separating them for so long may cause some emotional problems, that could lead to physical ones.

One would hope that there are more of this type of penguin in other zoos, so that these two 'Happy Feeters' could just stay together.

Thanks for the information. As I said...I didn't read anything about difficulties in doing artificial insemination.

Unless they are the last 2 males of their species on earth, and they aren't, leave them the heck alone. Do what is in THEIR best interest, their happiness at being best buds for life.

If I was a gay penguin, I'd be attracted to the tall dark one. He has a cool looking profile.

are some of you actually calling penguins child molesters, wow, and saying it's unnatural is really crazy since it's NATURE, they were born that way ffs

Iris---I too, agree with you but refuse to give a penguin a hand job--again.

But somebodies got to do it, ? how do you do a penguin? who wants to take their children to the zoo and try to explain this attraction. send them back they are flawed, let nature deal with them. get some that can function, in short find the jipo that sold them to you and get your money back.

Penguin Semen? OK people TMI

Buck, I seriously doubt if YOU can distinguish a male from a female penguin just by looking at them, and I know the kids can't.

Gay penguins? How about bored penguins,or penguins locked up and frustrated? Does this zoo staff own dogs?Have they ever seen how two dogs display dominance or boredom or frustration? If they really believe these two penguins are gay they need to shut them down right frigging now!! Of course this is most likely a complete corruption into the insight of natural behavior, in order to highlight the political agendas on both sides of the slate on the subject of gay rights,and thats more a travesty yet. Gay penguins? Good God almighty what a joke!!

Wow the ignorant, hate spewing, judgmental, right wing religious fanatics who only believe what they're told and can't think for themselves are out in force today lol.

you are clueless aren't you? I could care less what two people want to do sexually....its no skin off of my nose. But to call two animals gay because they are in captivity and are dealing with it the only way they know how is a crock!!! Right wing? LOL.You couldn't be further off the mark if you were freezing on Pluto....but how about right minded? You don't know a thing about animals do you?

You're the one who's clueless, homosexuality has been observed in the wild where there are plenty opposite sex partners. At least they don't have to fight for their rights because they don't care.

"homosexuality has been observed in the wild"

post a link to some pictures of said activity...never seen a male lion (the king of beasts) actually insert himself into another male lion...not that I want to "see" it , but that is the true definition of "homosexuality" , hence the word "sexuality"...not just sniffing each others backside , but actual "sexuality"...I am willing to bet that those photos and "evidence" don't exist , except in some peoples minds

oh...and some "biologist" or "animal expert" SAYING he saw it doesn't count , any more than someone SAYING that they saw God works for you...remember , it's "science" and "science" has to be proven

Homosexuality isn't all about sexual activities, it's about bonding with members with the same sex (which is what "homosexuality" means in Greek) instead of the opposite sex. Why would same sex partners ask for domestic partnerships and marriage rights if they are just together for sex? If you look around, you'll likely find videos of same sex partners in the wild, but it's doubtful you'll take it as evidence since most aren't screwing for the camera and you'll just assume the other is female anyway because males and females of many species look alike unless you get a close enough look.

Tyler,

Code THIS. Just because we've been HI-JACKED by EXTREMISTS, does NOT mean we've given up our right to an opinion. My opinion, even if it offends you (which I hope it does not), is just as valid as yours.

No such thing as HOMOSEXUAL ANIMALS or GAY ANIMALS. Wishful thinking by a small band of extremists.

Tyler:

Why is it that you don't say anything when liberals call Republicans

"Republitards or Republithugs"....... Talk about one sided! And yes, we have reported it over and over, but it seems to fall on deaf ears?

Homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, and is well documented for 500 of them. Homophobia, however, has only ever been demonstrated in one. Now who's "unnatural"? If you don't believe me, there are several books on the subject. So kindly, before you pollute the internet with your hate and ignorence, do your research.

Well said Alex.

@ Lady Diogenes: and you know there are no such things as gay animals because you have multiple degrees in?????????????? I think you are very homophobic yourself. Now isn't telling the truth better?

Incest is far more prevelant than inter-gender sex in the animal kingdom. Not "HOMOsexuality" as that is purely human.

@ Lady Diogenes: opinions are like bums. Everybody has one and most of them stink. I am glad you stated that this was your opinion and not anything base on fact. It's a proven fact that homosexuality exists in many, many species of animals. Saying these two gay penguins are not contributing to their species just because they are not breeding is false. They came to our collective attention last year when they hatched an abandoned egg and raised the chick like any normal couple would. This would count as a contribution, yes?

Alfalfamike, just a small point. "HOMO" does not mean "man". It means "same". So, no, homosexuality is obviously not purely human...that would be homophobia.

"Homo" means "man" in Latin, as in "Homo sapiens" and "homicide". It means "same" in Greek, as in "homogenized" milk in which the cream has been broken up into tiny particles so that it won't separate into cream floating on top of whey. The term "homosexual" comes from the Greek meaning, as lesbians are as much "homosexual" as "gay" men are.

Lady Diogenes

You do know the real Diogenes of Sinope Slept in a bathtub in the marketplace and begged for a living.

He also wandered around with a lamp and when he was asked what he was looking for he answered "An honest man"

Today he would have been put in a mental institution. SO where is your institution and how often do they let you use the Internet?

To be Human is to rise above animal instincts, also no mention of sexual contact between the two, maby they are just realy good friends, or possibly " A " sexual and don't give a Damn one way or the other, eather way its not good material to base human behavior on. so its back to finding answers where none exist.

An after thought have they tried introducing two females to them in a neutral setting, no other Penguins to compete with, and give them a little privacy maybe they are just a little timid. just a thought.

Buck

Just a thought.

Put you in prison with no choice and I sure you will be the bottom for your cell mate in less than an hour!

Or would it take you That long? I doubt it! You would be on your knees before the cell door shut!

What a bunch of ignorant and uninformed people write their comments here!

The reality is that homosexuality DOES exist NATURALLY in nature -both in animals and plants! It always has, it always will! If the moral majority idiots just became more informed and less judgmental, they would know this. Homosexuality is a natural act of NATURE, in animals and people. I am not homosexual, but I also don't find something unnatural with being that way. Leave the penguins and the people alone, to be who they are and find love and companionship with whomever they want.

Skate

You do realize that skateboarding is NOT found in ANY other animals in the animal kingdom.

SO lets lump what you do with all those dysfunctional activities as being unnatural!

SuperBrian Greenwich Village is not the gya neighborhood anymore, THat was 30 years ago, we only go there slumming on Christopher...The new gay area is the West 40s

Of course I stay home, In Chelsea where the gay neighborhood was 15 years ago

We come on, fix up an area, drive its value way way up,,,then sell it to straights!

Amen, Kenneth, amen!!!!!!!

Lynnial, these penquins and their behaviors are well documented, sorry to dissappoint you.

Lynnial: really? Sso the penguins are in on the "conspiracy" too? And the zookeepers? wow...that's a lot of trouble to go to just to tick off the homophobes, but hey...whatever works....

Homosexual behaviour have been observed in over 1500 animal species and well documented in over 500, including penguins. Time to get a clue...

Yea I went to college and had a professor spew that crap too. I believed it about as much as I believe there is no recession. All bull crap, but goes to show people can get paid to say anything for money.

Lynnial, stop being an internet tough guy. I bet you think that god is killing soldiers because of these penguins. People like you hold humanity back. Do the world a favor: educate yourself and evolve.

This is SADLY mis-understood. These animals will NEVER try to mate. Put a FEMALE in the enclosure with them....and they till fight each other the way REAL MEN would.......Get it?

You're supposed to be in college to learn things, Lynnial, not to pretend you already know it all.

If you want to believe your college professor is wrong, where is your scientific research from multiple sources (to avoid potential bias) which shows him or her wrong? Otherwise, he or she knows quite a bit more than you do and you should open your mind a bit. Especially considering this subject is quite obvious if you just look around a little.

P.S. Not talking about the economy here, and your blatant and obvious deflection isn't going to fool anyone.

In other words Lynnial, shut the duck up. (:

Lynnial: Why go to college if you ignore your professors when they try to teach you something? If you have that attitude then it was a complete waste of your time and money. Oh, and it's bestiality, btw, not beastiality (or beastility, as you wrote)...not that any of those terms are applicable because that implies sex between a human and another species, not between two gay animals.

Sniffle sniffle. someone knows how to wikipedia hardcore, sniffle sniffle, it's so hard finding out facts like that on the internet, sniffle sniffle.

What does Alfred Kinsey have to do with penguins?

Kenneth doesn't know the meaning of NORMAL. Normal means the majority. Homosexuality and gay behavior is NOT in the majority, ergo...it is NOT normal.

And What?-3868203, I write wiki, so there! You could wiki too, if you knew how to read and write.

Yes, I obviously lack both abilities. If fact, I am not demonstrating them in the slightest, you are s- wait, scratch that. And you write wiki? And the legitimacy of the site slips yet another notch while the world weeps.

Debbie_E,

Kinsey researched INSECTS, what does that have to do with human sexuality? Extrapolate my dear, think out of the box. Humans are so good at that. Did I mention that I'm a honey-bee? I am.

Debbie_E,

Actually, I'm a Honey-Bear (Chicago Bears cheerleader) wanna-Bee. Ergo, I am a Honey-wanna-Bee. They did away with the cheerleaders. Quite a few of the Bears prefer boyz. Sigh. Cultural malaise.

Well, if the penguins really are gay, then this is one situation where science can't really help them. Maybe it was intended for the gay penguins to die out?

Lady Diogenes is technically right. Homosexuality is not the norm. However, neither is red hair, a person taller than 6 ft, an IQ over (or under) 100, etc. Using the term normal in such a strict sense is completely useless, though, since any given person is not normal in some way or another. Thus, a normal person does not exist.

You people do realize that, "yes," homosexuality has been reported to occur in the animal kingdom, so has pedophilia, and incest. But that doesn't make these behaviors healthy sexual behaviors. It just means that animals are also capable of exhibiting dysfunctional sexual behaviors just like humans.

Skate22839979: Yes, people realize that homosexuality, heterosexuality, bisexuality, pedophilia, incest, rape, etc all occur naturally in the animal kingdom (including humans). A common complaint amongst homophobes is that homosexuality is unnatural. That is why people cite the fact that homosexuality occurs in nature. An unrelated issue is considering homosexuality dysfunctional, unhealthy, and even bad (note: you did not say this last one, just adding to the conversation). It is not clear what you mean by healthy or dysfunctional sexual behavior, but there is nothing inherently unhealthy about two people of the same sex loving each other--in fact, there are likely emotional and physical benefits of any intimate sexual relationship. What is dysfunctional? Do you mean that it does not fulfill the biological point of sex which is reproduction? If this is the case, then homosexual acts fall in the same category as heterosexual oral sex, sex while using a condom or on the pill, or any other sexual activity that isn't aimed at reproduction. What about it being bad? Well, without invoking religious dogma, I have heard no reasonable argument against it. None. If two consenting adults want to have sex, then really who is anyone to say that is bad? Those other activities listed all have very good arguments for being completely unacceptable: pedophilia exploits innocent children, incest greatly increases the likelihood for genetic disorders in offspring (this is the reason marrying your cousin is illegal, but there is really nothing wrong with it if no kids are produced), and rape of any variety is extremely damaging, mentally and often physically, to the victim. None of these are relevant to homosexuality, heterosexuality, or bisexuality, and they should not be lumped together with those other activities.

Just asking ... is there any evidence to suggest that the older penguin was ever either a penguin sports coach or a Penguin Scout leader? A penguin priest, perhaps? After all he is twice the age of his "partner"!

Lynnial, get your head out of your a** and smell the damn coffee. There are more gay people in the world than straight nowadays, and what?-3868203, in war, there is no god. Just you, your gun, and a lifespan of 1 second or less.

Have they picked out a China pattern or registered yet?

Lynanal

So you when to college.

Hate to break it to you but CLOWN COLLEGE doesn't really count as an education!

What-38

I do not agree with what Lynnial said and find her comments repulsive, but if you posted her phone number here you deserve to be banned form the internet for life. You simply do not do that ever, for any reason. Period.

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

Well, to put it simply, I disagree. It was, after all, already on the internet. What happens in Vegas was left in Vegas for other Vegas residents to find and laugh about. Maybe Lynnial should leave less breadcrumbs next time he opts to gaybash.

the solution is so simple that you're too stupid to realize it:

1) don't read the article-- there's this neat option that allows you to SCROLL by things you don't care about

2) don't bother to reply about said things you don't care about, it's contradictory to your claim that you're not interested.

what a moron.

Tyler -- Don't ordinarily question this sort of thing, but I think that it is possible, even probable, that what was meant by "flamer" in this instance was "flaming" in the Internet sense of "burning up" those with whom you disagree, a very common meaning, rather than in the sense of "flaming queen", an obvious anti-homosexual slur, probably not as common today as the first usage is.

Must be from Penn (guin) State.

just did some googling

the african penguins lifespan in the wild is about 20 years

so the 20 year penguin is OLD, and that would put the other one at about halfway through its life

but it is still creepy

MRZ, point taken. Are there NO laws regarding this in the animal kingdom. Where are the P(olitically)C(orrect) POLICE! There oughta be a law! Hahahahahahaha....moronic humans. Sheesh, some on this board think HAPPY FEET is a documentary worthy of a Pulitzer.

You are no Lady Diogenes

YES but there are laws to protect people from you!

There are some on this board that think just because you have a college education that allows you to dictate to the rest of us what to do or think!

I frankly don't care what you think. You are just a moronic bigot hiding behind a degree!

Bdp-2164

OK you need to be slapped hard for that one....

That was just mean

Funny

Even hilarious

But mean

(More please!)

LOL

The scientific wardens put them together...

Yes, the gay mafia infiltrated the Toronto zoo and recruited these penguins. The idiocy of you ilk never ends.

No, people, Orion is on to something... the gay agenda (or G.A. as we love to be called) have been spiking the water to turn the straight people (we call you 'normies') into... GAYS!!! Our secret is out--woe to us!!

What?-386,

Oh no you didn't! You don't KNOW a thing about religion. In fact, ALL religions taught against men-lying-with-men, because there was a time the earth wasn't populated.

NOW, we have too many people, and penguins, so we need to encourage more stupid behavior, like, well, gay and homosexual behavior. We NEED LESS people.

Keep it up, you're helping the ruling class by thinning the herd, by being gay and engaging in homosexual behavior. Keep it up, and your clad (that's the right spelling), kin, and clan, will go extinct.

Ahem...Lady whatever your name is...may want to do a little more research about ancient religions before you make such silly claims. Monotheistic Judeo-Christian religions do not equal "ALL religions". Nobody gave two @!$%#s about homosexuality until monotheism...and the treatment of women and children as property. I believe that's the "sanctity of marriage" crap cowardly people are always spouting off about.

Why do the penguins have to be gay. Maybe they enjoy each others company. Are we having this conversation???

if you don't agree with the gay agenda then you are automatically a hater and a republican. Sigh....

They will not stop until all animals and humans are bi or gay. They own the media and are relentless in their agenda. just don't hate them and argue with them. Stand firm on your beliefs just as they do. We, for the time being, are still free to be moral without persecution, for now.

By the by LADY, I'm not gay. I bat for the opposite team IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. I think that means I can look forward to raising a family of homegrown, healthy, happy, and non judegemental children that I won't fill with hate or poison simply because of my own insecurities. I bet your babies will, if they haven't already, will grow up to disappoint us in the future by prescribing to backward thinking like yourself. Maybe you should start some preventative planning and snip snip some cords. Here's a newsflash: plenty of straight people like myself look in you at disgust because you're one of those people holding us back. No one is sitting here thinking you're some gay gunning hero. Sixty years ago, you would have been throwing bricks and flour out your car window (look it up on wiki, it's called racism, wouldn't surprise me at all if you were a WASP) and drinking with the good ol' boys. When Uncle Stevie invented keyboard, you probably thought you were something special, coming on MSN with you big city (not) thoughts and opinions, when, in reality, you're just like the rest of us with one little problem: you're a hater. Go back to school, reeducate yourself, learn to live with love and acceptance. Maybe a little tolerance in your life will give you a better future.

Your conservative hatred of science is showing. These behaviours are well documented in the wild as well, so minus one on that one. I am curious about your basis for the behaviour of men in prison. Is that a first hand anecdote? As far as 'fag earthworms' are concerned, they have male and female sex organs, so depending on your interpretation of the word 'fag' is, a better description is hermaphrodite. It doesn't have any kind of political aspiration or application. If you skipped 10th grade biology, you probably missed it, but if your a fan of all things conservative its certainly easy to see how.

There were plenty of females for them to choose from, but they preferred each other. Homosexual behaviour has been observed in over 1500 animal species. Homosexual behaviour is perfectly normal amongst animals, including humans.

patxyz,

You're ignorant of science. Conservatives, like John Muir? Ha. Stupid is as stupid does, and both the extremes are at fault. The left for being too guilible and the right for being a stick-in-the-mud. A pox on both of them, for a lack of rational thought.

So, Lady My @!$%# Doesn't Stink, I guess your sole purpose in life to come on to these boards and tell everyone how stupid they are? You haven't added anything of value to any of the above posts you've polluted. Yeah, you're entitled to your opinion...and we're entitled to ask you to STFU. Having an opinion means nothing if you don't have some brains, too. Oh, and BTW, John Muir was a CONSERVATIONIST. Slightly different context, dear.

PFFFFFUUUUUTTTTTTTTTT

That is the sound of Lady's airhead exploding!

It is a sad state of the world when a person like her, claims to be educated!

Lady Diogenes........I don't understand your self loathing.... it's alright to be a gay man, learn to love yourself as you are.

Lady Diogenes As someone with psychiatric problems I recognize crazy when I see it. You may want to consider getting some help. I promise you that the earth will keep spinning even though you are wrong. I know right now that may be hard to consider but you don't always have to be right.

Homosexuality is in fact a variation of normal. The four sexual orientations are hetero, homo, bisexual and Asexual. All are considered within normal limits for human behaviour. Does that frighten you? You seem angry and confused. Maybe that's not what you learned in Sunday school, but it is what you would learn if you had any kind of education in basic neuro-physiology.

Glenn

The use of the word "Bro" is also not normal.

The use of slang words within the context of conversation is outside the normal.

So you are queer with the english language!

One last thing Glenn, You claim to not care about the subject but you continue to comment on it, SO it must be of interest to you.

Does the thought of gay penguins turn you on or something?

Even "gay" penguins love "fish", so it's still kind of different.

Will they? What makes you so sure? Maybe they will just stop eating and die.

For the good of the penguin population, they can get other males that are alive to do what you want them to do.

How about letting these two do what they want to do?

Has been for some time. Over 1500 other species too.

What makes these penguins think they can get away with this? They obviously crave attention and posing for a photo op won't get them back together any sooner.

Huh? I am gay and I don't, nor have I ever, found females repulsive. Please enlighten me...where do you get that logic?

Kenneth, good response my friend. I'm gay but I find men attractive, not as in chemistry but as in good people, same as there are bad rednecks!

These homophobic people here are so concerned and angry, why not rent an island far from 'us' and let them bicker until their heart's content. Afterall, they know so much about us! I'm a retired RN that worked in critical care units. do you think I asked each patient if they were straight? And then NOT treat them??? Who's a tard now?

canttakenomore, I guess you never heard of a gay hair stylist. Your worldview of gays scares me.

NYMike...

Grooming is a form of sexual contact...to a penguin. Your view of the world scares me...

Yep. I don't understand why people are all up in arms either.

If they wanted to mate with females, they would have in all the attempts in the past to get them to do so.

You can't force a penguin to have sex if it doesn't want to.

As for the sake of the species, there are other males alive that fancy female penguins. Pimp them out.

Great idea.

Carried to its logical conclusion -maybe WE Homo- sapiens- with a 7 BILLION People OVERPOPULATION problem - should separate HETEROSEXUAL humans, "just until Spring" - world-wide.

What are they going to rewire? They aren't Transformers.

It's not a disorder moron. I chose to come out because I lost my attraction to women, and guys can't get preggers.

Have you tried an ugly woman? maby she'd be desperate for you! Who's a moron? you answered a troll--

Absolutely!

Uh, you would think the zoo keepers would have thought of that and placed females in their cage? They weren't segregated from the females, they grew up with them and still chose eachother.